[BMWMc] RE: BMW RA Rally 2008 Re: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008 [BMWMc] For Paul Glaves - hydraulic Clutch Info RE: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008 Re: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008 Re: [BMWMc] For Paul Glaves - hydraulic Clutch Info [BMWMc] re: cellphone stories, etc [BMWMc] NYTimes.com: Surge in Off-Roading Stirs Dust and [BMWMc] Where is AMA? Re: [BMWMc] Where is AMA? Re: [BMWMc] NYTimes.com: Surge in Off-Roading Stirs Dust and Re: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:49:50 -0500
From: "tom42n" <tom42n@kconline.com>
Subject: [BMWMc] RE: BMW RA Rally 2008
Happy New Year
While your bike is under cover waiting for the ice to melt, you are inside
by the fire watching the snow fall, thinking about your ride to the 2008 RA,
read Steve Hamilton's Book's (North of Nowhere, Blood is the Sky, Ice Run,
Winter of the Wolf Moon, A Stolen Season) and picture the UP around the Soo.
Tom Anspach
----Winamac, IN-------41 deg 3 min N ------- 86 deg 36 min W-----
-Tom, '85 K100RT, 200K, MOA, BMWMOCF, PRI, RBI, PRUNE, Rounder, IBMWR-
-It is good to have an END to journey toward, but it is the JOURNEY that
matters in the end. / Ursula Le Guin-
-I feel no pain, dear mother, now; But, oh, I am so dry?
O take me to a brewery, And leave me there to die.
-Annon.; The Everything Beer Book-
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:54:32 -0400
From: Dave Thompson <dhthompson@av.eastlink.ca>
Subject: Re: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008
twade5@comcast.net wrote:
> Maybe I should clarify. Iron miners spend a lot of time in a cold, usually damp, mine environment, and need a hot meal midway through their shift.
>
> A "pastie" is one of the tradional meals. Basically just like a large pot pie, typically filled with meat and potatoes, etc. Many of them are put into a canteen cup, much like a military canteen cup, then cooked. One canteen cup full of pot pie would make a pretty hefty meal. In some mining areas, pasties are available from many local cafes.
>
> Try one, if you get the chance.
>
> Tom Wade
> Hope, Indiana
>
Tom...
To clarify further, I first met a pastie in Cornwall, England. They were
the staple food of the tin miners in Cornwall.
Word was that they were originally made with a bit of jam in one end,
and the remaining filling was the traditional seasoned mutton and
vegetables.
That gave you your pastry, meat and veggies, along with 'afters' all in
one package. Just had to be a bit careful which end you ate first!
Bought my first ObBMW while on exchange in Cornwall, albeit a four
wheeled one.
--
Cheers, Dave T. FYK100 from the Canadian Maritimes, where the ski hills
are open, and the K100 is waiting for spring...
Its not whether you win or lose...Its how you lay the blame!
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:00:35 -0600
From: Paul or Voni Glaves <p_vglaves@mindspring.com>
Subject: [BMWMc] For Paul Glaves - hydraulic Clutch Info
>
> Hey Mr Glaves,
>
> I wasn't sure how to get in touch with you, and I know you monitor this list.
> Great article in the latest Owner's News! Having had a slave cylinder
> failure, I learned a few things that may be of interest to your readers.
>
> 1. You said that it is impossible to tell if you have a leaky slave
> cylinder. There are actually a few indications to look for. As mine slowly failed
> (over a month or so) it began to suck air into the system. The engagement point
> of my clutch got closer and closer to the bar. That can be one indication.
> I decided to bleed the clutch line. The old fluid came out very dark, almost
> black. I think it was sucking in grease from the throwout bearing. Dark
> fluid could be another indication of a slave cylinder going bad.
>
> 2. I read about a neat trick after I replaced my slave cylinder. In your
> article you mentioned that the slave cylinder is sealed with a gasket. I read
> that someone cut a slot in the bottom of the gasket so that fluid could leak
> out if the cylinder failed again. That would give you an indication of an
> impending failure and may save your clutch. I thought it was a pretty good trick.
> I wish I'd read about it before I replaced my slave cylinder.
>
> Keep up the good work,
>
> Jim Moore
Jim, you found me. Thanks for the info. FYI, my email and phone # are
published in the front of the magazine.
Good point about the moving engagement point. Usually you can notice
the fluid level going down before this happens, but if you don't notice
the level dropping this is also a good sign.
I did post on this list or the tech list a while back about two methods
of allowing a leak to drain off before fouling the clutch. One is to
drill a vertical hole up into the housing; the other is to file a V
notch where the gasket fits. I intend to do the V notch modification
next time the cylinder is off my R1150R. I know of dealers who
routinely drill the hole on K1200LT bikes if they are in there. I
deliberately didn't include that in the article because I am in Texas
and the bike is in Kansas, and without photos there is too much room for
misinterpretation and error. I try not to put incomplete information in
an article of it will lead to homegrown damage of the motorcycle.
Paul Glaves
--
Big Bend, Texas U.S.A.
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http://www.bigbend.net/users/glaves
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"If you are looking for something to complain about, you are absolutely
certain to find it." - Gregg Easterbrook
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:42:29 -0500
From: Jerry <jertom20@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008
> That was 1987, my first MOA national rally. I rode up through
> Ontario, took the ferry from Tobermory to Manitoulin Island, and made
> my way across Canada. Other than the 100+F heat on the way back
> through the U.S. midwest, it was a great trip!
>
> Steve Anderson
> Sales & Marketing Manager
> Morton's BMW Motorcycles
> 540-891-9844
was pretty damn warm at the rally also, but it was a good one.
Jerry
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:59:17 +0000
From: twade5@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008
Yes, my sources show that Cornish miners brought them to the Yoopers, but I've not seen reference to jam in one end. Sounds like a marvelous idea.
If you Google "pastie", you find several sites, and all of them have almost exactly the same receipe, with the exception of using just beef, beef and pork, or beef and lamb. One receipe leaves out the rutabaga.
Seems to be quite the staple lunch for miners and other in Yooperville.
Tom Wade
-------------- Original message --------------
> From: Dave Thompson <dhthompson@av.eastlink.ca>
> twade5@comcast.net wrote:
> > Maybe I should clarify. Iron miners spend a lot of time in a cold, usually
> damp, mine environment, and need a hot meal midway through their shift.
> >
> > A "pastie" is one of the tradional meals. Basically just like a large pot
> pie, typically filled with meat and potatoes, etc. Many of them are put into a
> canteen cup, much like a military canteen cup, then cooked. One canteen cup
> full of pot pie would make a pretty hefty meal. In some mining areas, pasties
> are available from many local cafes.
> >
> > Try one, if you get the chance.
> >
> > Tom Wade
> > Hope, Indiana
> >
>
> Tom...
>
> To clarify further, I first met a pastie in Cornwall, England. They were
> the staple food of the tin miners in Cornwall.
>
> Word was that they were originally made with a bit of jam in one end,
> and the remaining filling was the traditional seasoned mutton and
> vegetables.
>
> That gave you your pastry, meat and veggies, along with 'afters' all in
> one package. Just had to be a bit careful which end you ate first!
>
> Bought my first ObBMW while on exchange in Cornwall, albeit a four
> wheeled one.
>
> --
> Cheers, Dave T. FYK100 from the Canadian Maritimes, where the ski hills
> are open, and the K100 is waiting for spring...
>
> Its not whether you win or lose...Its how you lay the blame!
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:08:08 +0000
From: twade5@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [BMWMc] For Paul Glaves - hydraulic Clutch Info
Paul,
With this kind of an attitude, you're never gonna get hired to write factory service manuals....
:)
Tom Wade
Hope, Indiana
-------------- Original message --------------
> From: Paul or Voni Glaves <p_vglaves@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Hey Mr Glaves,
> routinely drill the hole on K1200LT bikes if they are in there. I
> deliberately didn't include that in the article because I am in Texas
> and the bike is in Kansas, and without photos there is too much room for
> misinterpretation and error. I try not to put incomplete information in
> an article of it will lead to homegrown damage of the motorcycle.
>
> Paul Glaves
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:18:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Myles Lewis <redbiker_co@yahoo.com>
Subject: [BMWMc] re: cellphone stories, etc
HI Gang,
HAPPY HOLIDAYS
I have not read all the replies regarding this subject, so I am just
going to explain my cellphone service in rural Colorado. When I first
lived in Gunnison (2000), I had ATT dual band phones, TDMA and ATT Digital
(non-gsm). It worked very well. With the exception of 2 areas, it digital
or nothing. These 2 areas were Lake City and Almont. I am there there were
other areas as well, but these are the 2 I am acquainted with. Only other
provider that worked was Verizon and it sucked. I had great experiences
and zero problems. In 2001, I was visiting Las Vegas and developed phone
problems. Since the phone was under warranty I went to a ATT store. While
they were checking the phone, I figured look around and see what was new.
ATT was just changing from digital to GSM. My phone was decalred dead, and
I now had a credit to a new phone. I was trying to decide between a
Panasonic; sort of bulky due to heavy rubber casing and considered
unbreakable due to droping, running over, submersion in water, etc. or s
Siemens S56. The Siemans was a triband phone. Analog, Digital and GSM.
After playing around, I picked the Siemens. Why? it had INTERNET. IIRC, it
was one of the first ATT phones to have Internet. Why? because of the GSM.
GSM used multiple data packets, data packets held more date. etc. No
matter the reason, it had internet. I bought it. imagine that. Worked
great, Even had Internet in Gunnison. There were parts of Gunnison that
didn't have internet coverage period. Choices there were cable (limided
coverage) and Sattelite, again, limited due to lack of southern exposure,
trees, etc. Sattelite phones? HAH, barely worked, very slow and very
expensive. Oh, no real providers either.
I used that Siemens or a direct replacment due to age, damager,
clumsiness, etc.
In May of 2004, I was convinced by many friends to change to Verizon as
the ATT/Cingular change was starting and Cingular had terrible reputation
in that area. I changed and it sucked. Went thru 3 Verizon phones, 2 lines
of service, and then 2 phone numbers. At about 1 year into my 2 year
contract, Verizon service got even worse. I had clear line of sight to
Verizon tower and it sucked. One day the tower was gone. After some
digging around which included the archeological tour of Tenderfoot or 'W'
mountain,a lot of other questioning; I determined the Verizon tower
nonexistent. Turns out the Verizon tower was within the newly expanded
area of the archeological site. I swithced back to ATT oops, Cingular
Service and it was better than Verizon but not as good as old ATT. Never
did find out why. Local Verizon third party retailer, was advising new
customers looking for Prepaid phones to go to Radio Shack, inside the Ace
Hardware and by a 'GO' phone. They did not stock V. prepaids. they also
sent new customers to Radio Shack in general because they no longer wanted
the headaches of Verizon. They maintained Verizon so that existing
customers had a local office.
I spent 10 months fighting Verizon over my broken contract. Yes, I ended
service before 2 year contract and was subject to the $175.oo per phone
line (2 lines). This made a total of $350 plus tax and interest was due.
I refused to sign since they advertised 'Customer Satisfaction
Guaranteed'. I was a customer and I was not satisfied. They made limited
attempts to verify my complaints. I just refused to pay, spents lots of
time on hold with them and politely kept refusing. One day I got a call
from Verizon Customer relations telling me they were zeroing my balance. I
owed nothing and would get a letter in the mail plus an actual billing
statement with zero balance.
I actually WON!! probably the first battle with Big Business I had ever
one. Possibly ever will. Wait, I take that back, my Social Security
Disablity was approved and first check arrived last week. Talk about Big
Business? Federal Government (orlack thereof). HAHA Now, where is the
retroactive benefit check? it's in the mail. I expect it to arrive after
the first of year with an issue date of Dec. 31, 2007 which would mean
it's income for this year. I will have to pay incomet tax at the 28% level
of a large sum. Oh well, not anything I can do but look for loopholes and
pay as little as possible. Wait, that's another subject.
In 2006, we moved to Florissant, CO. west of Pikes Peak. We are roughly
halfway between the 2 cell tower sites. Alltel owns them. The NEW ATT
decided to drop rental space on the towers due to the fact that the tower
rent was higher than income from the customers (me) in that area. Phone
display went from ATT to 'off network'. Serivce sucked once again. After 2
months of 'off network' we received a letter telling us that we were 'off
network' duh, and had 60 days to find a new provider and port our phone
numbers to them. We would also be exempted out of our 2 year contract at
now charge. What is 'off network'? It is same as roaming except since ATT
offered no roaming in all it's plans, ATT would pick up all roaming
charges. Off network gave them away out, and also gave us customers a free
way out.
What did I do? My girl friend works in Cripple Creek. There is phone
service in Cripple Creek and Florissant, but none in between. She decided
she no longer needed a phone. OK, I went looking at prepaid phones.
After much research, I went with a NET10 phone. NET10 (least expensive of
prepaids), is a division of TracPhone (most expensive of prepaids). their
rate plan is simple. $0.10 per minute, day or night, 24/7, period.
Paid $30 for phone, got a $30.00 ( 300minute) phone card in package. Wow,
free phone, it's a Nokia and Motorola Razrs were coming. I have always had
best luck with Nokia so itis what I own. Best part is I have better
signal, more coverage, then I have ever experienced in Colorado. Pay as
you go, no hidden charges, etc. I love it. and it's a great phone too. not
a cheapo piece of crap.
OK, that's my story and it's the truth, give or take a lie or 2.
Myles
**************************
Myles B. Lewis
Friend of Bill W., etc.
Florissant, CO (On the edge of nowhere near the top of the world.)
1990 Suzuki VX800 (THE CURRENT RIDE)
1972 Honda CL450 (swmbo's bike, needs work, but it'll get there some day)
"When you live in a place that reaches 45 below, the boilerman is a real
good friend to
know" quote from song by Yukon Ryder, an Alaskan Folk Rock group.
**************************
Myles B. Lewis
Friend of Bill W., etc.
Florissant, CO (On the edge of nowhere near the top of the world.)
1990 Suzuki VX800 (THE CURRENT RIDE)
1972 Honda CL450 (swmbo's bike, needs work, but it'll get there some day)
"When you live in a place that reaches 45 below, the boilerman is a real good friend to know" quote from song by Yukon Ryder, an Alaskan Folk Rock group.
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:18:53 -0500
From: plittler@verizon.net
Subject: [BMWMc] NYTimes.com: Surge in Off-Roading Stirs Dust and
Debate in West
This page was sent to you by: plittler@verizon.net.
Interesting article in NYTimes discussing use of public lands in Utah, and the balance (or lack of it) between hiking, biking, motorcycling, and 4-wheeling.
NATIONAL | December 30, 2007
Public Lands: Surge in Off-Roading Stirs Dust and Debate in West
By FELICITY BARRINGER and WILLIAM YARDLEY
Federally owned lands are being transformed into the new playgrounds, and battlegrounds, of the American West.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/us/30lands.html?ex=1199682000&en=b8f354a48336a84e&ei=5070&emc=eta1
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:24:42 -0500
From: Jim Shaw <jimdshaw@comcast.net>
Subject: [BMWMc] Where is AMA?
<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/us/30lands.html?th=&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1199041732-10k0DwKnMtQFZJuHB+TCgA>
Hope you can read it. While they mention motorcycles, there is no
mention of a position by the AMA. Apparently the NYT reporter didn't
notice the AMA's existence to ask them. Could the AMA be too busy making
big bucks with racing, as usual?
Jim
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:06:46 -0500
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BMWMc] Where is AMA?
Perhaps more relevant to this list is "Where is the BMW content?"
Because there isn't any, either in your post or in the article.
Please take your thread off-list...
Cheers,
Art
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/us/30lands.html?th=&adxnnl=1&emc=th&adxnnlx=1199041732-10k0DwKnMtQFZJuHB+TCgA>
--
Art Campbell art.campbell@gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:08:51 -0500
From: "Art Campbell" <art.campbell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BMWMc] NYTimes.com: Surge in Off-Roading Stirs Dust and
Debate in West
If you're going to post to the BMW list, please post something with
BMW content... this post, and the article ain't it.
Cheers,
Art
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/us/30lands.html?ex=1199682000&en=b8f354a48336a84e&ei=5070&emc=eta1
--
Art Campbell art.campbell@gmail.com
"... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
No disclaimers apply.
DoD 358
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:34:01 -0700
From: "Patricia Wilson" <wilson.pr.gm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [BMWMc] BMW RA Rally 2008
As a recent emigrant from Michigan I can testify to the beauty of da UP. I
can also testify to the wonderfulness of flying across the Big Mac in the
center lanes -- with grates so you can look straight down 200 ft into very
cold water. It would now be a 3-4 day trip to get up there from AZ but I am
thinking on it. I would go up the Rockies to US-2.
On Dec 30, 2007 11:59 AM, <twade5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Admin, sub/unsub info: http://www.lists.ibmwr.org/mailman/listinfo/bmwmc
--
Patricia Wilson
Apache Junction, AZ
WB8DXX
'06 R1200RT "Graues Gespenst"
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